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Interview: Kristen Cloke-Morgan

Another interview courtesy of the X-Files Diaries podcast, this time with Kristen Cloke-Morgan (Glen Morgan’s wife and creative partner), talking in-depth about the revival episode that she co-wrote, the memorable no-dialogue AI episode. Quick notes below:

On “The Field Where I Died“: she thinks the background of her character was that she was probably abused as a child, every time she got in a difficult spot she escaped into another personality.

On “Rm9…“, which she calls “Followers“:

  • Glen Morgan had 3 ideas: drones, no dialogue, AI (maybe?)
  • She and co-writer Shannon Hamblin boarded the episode at the Morgans’ garage, then photographed the cards and took them to Vancouver for Glen to give notes. It was a collaborative writing process.
  • They had done an episode of “Space: Above and Beyond” with no dialogue.
  • The actors liked it.
  • Scully wearing more comfortable clothes and shoes was not her input.
  • The funny bits are Shannon’s, she’s more serious.
  • There are few women in TXF. It would have been awkward if a man had written Scully with a vibrator. The vibrator design had to be approved by the studio! The vibrator idea came out of research they did on connected devices.
  • They were able to have notes and rewrites on the spot in Vancouver, they were there during prep. They produced their own episode, like Carter had writers do back then, now writers don’t do that any more.
  • Many of the crew in Vancouver they knew, collaboration was great.
  • Scott Stence (?) did the videos and graphics, he came up with the design for the smiley face, she had him add teeth to make it more creepy. “Scott is coming for dinner” on Scully’s fridge was an easter egg, it was not scripted.
  • Hand holding at the end was Glen’s idea, about connection.
  • Mulder’s line “why is your house better than mine?” was improvisation by Duchovny, they kept it in.
  • Shooting in Mulder’s house was very cold.
  • They removed the last line of Scully replying “we can’t teach them to care”, they rewrote that line a lot, maybe it was Glen that cut it out.
  • It’s inevitable that, where it can, AI will replace humans. But it can’t write something that will move you like TXF episodes written by humans.
  • In the Tay experiment [Microsoft AI chatbot on Twitter], the female-looking AI was abused by males and taught racist sexist things. She was moved by that.
  • Robots and AI are much more frequent now vs 2017. Glen used AI images to help for movie pitches. She feels like she is participating in teaching it, and is reluctant.
  • She had ELO songs in the script originally; she is a Prince fan.
  • When Mulder and Scully got out of the restaurant, a hug was scripted but a kiss was shot, it was cut out.
  • Anderson didn’t remember the song “Teach your children well”, Shannon led a rendition for her.
  • She was amazed at the set of the sushi restaurant, by set designer Mark Freeborn. She was impressed by the robot wranglers, the programmers for the robots’ movements, the drones people. There were few robots on set, they were duplicated digitally.
  • An important distinction vs TXF in the 90s: with politics now, you believe in the truth you want to believe, you create your own reality, instead of believing in The Truth.

(Photo of Kristen from PhileFest, from X-Files News)

https://xfilesdiaries.libsyn.com/145-interview-with-kristen-cloke-morgan

Interview: Katrina McCarthy

A new podcast, “Hey Danny, It’s Mulder“, explores the behind the scenes of The X-Files and has high production values with nice sound effects and script readings to immerse you into the world of the series. It’s incredible that a thirty year old show can still inspire people to explore their passion creatively.

The podcast has an interview with Katrina McCarthy, lead costume designer for The X-Files season 11. But she was also part of the costume department during the early years in Vancouver for The X-Files and Millennium (her work is uncredited, which happened often with the extended crew), and for the prehistoric and Antarctica scenes of “Fight the Future”. As always, some notes from me on the interview:

  • Her start for the show was frantic, dressing hundreds of people with US military costumes (could this have been for the military parade in “Unrequited” in season 4?).
  • Everybody wanted to work in TXF, but the hours were very long and it was hard work.
  • “FTF”: they received the Neanderthal costumes from LA. The preparation was done very early in the mornings in Pemberton, then they were flown by helicopter to the glacier for actual shooting.
  • The lead costume designer of s10 was unavailable for s11; for her working for the revival was like coming back full circle. Her interview with Carter was them walking their dogs.
  • There are discussions on-set to work with fabrics and colors in interaction with the director of photography and lighting and set design crews, sometimes with the director and actors.

Some notes on season 11:

  • There are some 8-10 multiples for costumes, especially for action scenes, like in the gunfight in “This”.
  • The “Forehead Sweat” teaser was based on “The Twilight Zone” black and white look, with 1940s fabrics and designs. Carter wanted to revisit many places where they did the revival, like the Ovaltine cafe. Mulder’s “squatchin” suit was from a military surplus shop, run by Ian (the same as the person working on TXF on her 1st day on the show; full name?). The alien suit was inspired by “Mars Attacks!” and “The Twilight Zone”.
  • In “Followers”, in the “self-driving” Tesla, the stunt woman driver was *inside* the car’s seat. 
  • In “Nothing Lasts Forever”, Fiona Vroom’s suits (Barbara Beaumont) were actual vintage from the 50s-60s.
  • Scully’s tan jacket in “My Struggle IV” was meant to reference her look in the early seasons. Mulder and Jackson’s suits were meant to look similar on purpose. The suits were also to accommodate the winter cold: their final day was December 23, with the final shot at 9 am on December 24!

Her portfolio includes some behind the scenes photos from season 11: https://www.katrinamccarthy.com/portfolio/x-files-2018

Also seek out the podcast’s other episodes, with interviews with Paul Terry (TXF Official Archives) and Bethan Jones (Thirty Years of The X-Files book): https://www.heydannyitsmulder.com/

Interview: James Wong

A great, comprehensive interview with Jim Wong courtesy of the the X-Files Diaries podcast! There’s a lot here about his work on the revival. Frankly, looking back, his work resulted in the revival’s most solid episodes, especially his episodes “Founder’s Mutation” and “Ghouli” that make up a sort of “parallel mythology” and a preferable alternative to Carter’s “Struggles”. Highlights and [own comments] below:

The early years:

  • The writers were given accounts by Fox on alt.tv.x-files, he posted a bit
  • They wanted to reverse the Mulder-Scully dynamic towards the end of the first season, but they ended up doing “Beyond the Sea” earlier because of fan criticism of Scully’s skepticism.
  • In the early years they didn’t want to do the relationship bullshit, not to do what “Moonlighting” did, what Fox was telling them to do, what everybody did. A non-romantic relationship was something to be celebrated back then. But Duchovny-Anderson had such great chemistry, you wanted them to. What’s right is how it ended up happening, over the years. [I like how he expresses this, I agree on both the noromo beginnings and the long-term evolution]
  • Standards & Practices were more on them during the first seasons, they could push back after they were a big success. Editing for “Home” was down to frame by frame. Jim & Glen were planning to do a sequel with the Peacocks in “Millennium” for the sweeps period, Fox TV head Peter Roth said no. The V-Chip [blocking TV set based on violence ratings] was passed in Congress because of “Home”. [It possibly had an influence, but the timing doesn’t quite work: “Home” aired in October 1996 and the Telecommunications Act was voted in January 1996, but started getting implemented in 1997.]
  • “Beyond the Sea” is his personal favourite. In San Diego, a local channel Z had “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” on repeats, he saw it thousands of times with Glen Morgan, hence Brad Dourif. Dourif’s audition didn’t go well but (casting director) Rick Millikan and he and Glen pushed for him, Jim & Glen even paid an extra fee from their pocket, and Dourif did it.
  • “Clyde Bruckman” is another favourite.
  • When they returned in season 4 Carter asked them if there was anything they wanted to do, he asked to direct an episode. He was very nervous, he had only done 2nd unit directing in “Space: Above and Beyond”, he was more prepared for “Musings” than anything else before or after (shots lists, camera angles). He attributes his whole directing career to TXF. So he said yes to the revival. [“Musings of a CSM” is one TXF’s best for directing and photography, amazing that it was a first effort! ]

Founder’s Mutation“:

  • He hadn’t followed the show after he left [back in s4!] but he knew that William was a mystery, that’s what excited him.
  • It was meant to lead into the finale. [The episode airing was reordered at the last minute]
  • He remembers shooting with kids in make-up: show as little of the monster as possible, a lesson from “Alien”.
  • Approaching the show all these years later, he found he had grown older together with the characters, he wrote the characters to be emotionally in the same place as he was, at a different age.

Ghouli“:

  • It was born out of the idea of the final scene, to have Scully interact with her son without her knowing. [A highlight of the revival!] He wanted both to allow Mulder and Scully to grieve for their son [their son!], and to connect with him.
  • There was no writers’ room, there were no discussions, it was just him. [A method that has given both good and bad results!]
  • It was a kitchen sink episode, throw in ideas and do fun cool things: he wanted a crazy teaser, he saw the rotting ship and thought it would make a cool set, let’s get Scully shot.
  • He gave much thought in how do we find out about William, what do we see in his room, important for him to have the Asian man. 
  • There were no discussions with Carter about William, he became what Wong wanted to tell the story. About William’s character: kids do stupid things with their powers. [I find it nothing short of incredible that it happened like this, with Carter clearly wanting to do something with William for years, and did reuse Wong’s William in “My Struggle IV”. But you could argue that it’s a creative process like any other, have one person write part of the story and come in and continue it with your own ideas.]
  • His own ghost story! He went through sleep paralysis while shooting a film in Mexico. [Most likely for “Dragonball Evolution”, which filmed in Mexico.] He felt there was somebody in his hotel room all night through. In the same hotel, Rob MacLachlan [director of photography in Millennium] felt the same! There was a plaque next to the hotel, about a nun during the war who fell in love with a French soldier, committed suicide, people see her ghost every full moon. He discussed with Ghouli director of photography Craig [Wrobleski] on how to show sleep paralysis, to get one plane in focus and the rest out of focus.
  • He talked to Carter about what had happened with William, he gave him the cliff notes of season 9, there is a connection with Scully, he gave him carte blanche. Everything else (adoptive parents moving from the countryside to the city, Project Crossroads…) is all Wong’s.
  • About the intervening years since s9, he agrees with fan theories about: William/Jackson’s parents must have figured out something was going on with him, they could have sought help, enrolled him in a program, exposed him inadvertently to forces looking for him. [We can find traces of all of this background story in Ghouli.net, so maybe he did have some input to that. I still find the Wyoming/Virginia move to be a stretch, and Project Crossroads to be an unnecessary complication on top of an already complicated status for William’s powers.]
  • He wanted to write a poetic ending to the episode, he would have been satisfied if it was the last we see of William. He didn’t know what Carter wanted to do. [Looking back, I would have been fine if Ghouli was the end of William’s story, but during s11’s airing it was already clear that we were going to see him again. Somehow Carter short-circuited Wong’s intentions.]
  • Design of Ghouli: this was all Bill Terezakis.
  • Ghouli.net was Fox’s idea. Julie Ng and others did the writing, he didn’t. [More kudos to her! So many good ideas in there.]

Nothing Lasts Forever” [Wong directed only]:

  • Last scene: he doesn’t know what Scully whispered to Mulder, he thinks she said “it was always you”, the candle was an affirmation of their relationship.
  • Kate McKinnon was an XF fan, they tried to cast her as Barbara Beaumont, but it didn’t work out.
  • Glen Morgan also hung out on newsgroups back then, it was really new to have live reactions from the audience then, there was criticism but no trolling or personal attacks. He didn’t go online after his revival episodes. [Understandable. Here’s to constructive criticism.]

https://xfilesdiaries.libsyn.com/143-james-wong-interview

(Photo from PhileFest by X-Files News)

https://open.spotify.com/episode/47XTqXmGTIQSeQIExNvvm4

Duchovny/Anderson podcast

Last week the star-struck fandom discussed to death Gillian Anderson appearing in David Duchovny’s podcast. Although we hardly learned anything new on #TheXFiles themselves, it was a perhaps unprecedented insight into the actors’ personalities, a bit like listening in on an old couple’s therapy session.

As I was listening to their conversation, the following exchange came to me, from “Small Potatoes”:

Mulder: “We never really, uh, *talk* much, do we?”

Scully: “What do you mean like, really talk? No. No, we don’t.”

This could really be the actors talking. For all their on-screen chemistry and their off-screen banter in public appearances, they don’t seem to really know each other much, or be much on the same wavelength. They have the sort of familiarity you have with a childhood friend but with whom you have grown apart over the years and you now only see once every few years, and your being comfortable with each other just comes from the fact of having spent so much time in the presence of the other in the past.

Their conversation plays exactly how they describe themselves to be: DD deals with his issues by talking about them and holds remorse about things in the past, while GA deals with her issues by not talking about them and filling her life with new work and experiences, living in the moment. As such, DD mentions, very candidly, several experiences of shame and regret in his life, including how he acted like a presumptuous movie star on the set of the show — while GA doesn’t remember much in terms of specifics or is more reserved and would rather talk about issues that are close to her heart today.

That’s what I got from it. I enjoyed it, but I’m not much of a person who follows actors closely.

I got zero hint of them trying to spur up excitement for a continuation of the series, and that’s fine by me.

Other than that, some TXF-related stuff:

  • As is well established, DD & GA were not particularly getting well along on set, and sometimes spent weeks without talking to each other.
  • This got to the point where Carter advised them to go to couple therapy but as their characters (in season 1!).
  • Being in their 20s-30s and have the show become such a success while at the same time dealing with their personal lives (pregnancy, divorce) was huge, huge stress.
  • DD wanted Mulder to be more action-hero-like, as Mulder was not traditionally masculine (losing his gun or fist fights).
  • DD remembers strong shame in being rejected by Vancouverites when he forced the move to Los Angeles.
  • As DD left the show in season 7, GA left the show in season 11 — and DD now felt that he should have apologized for leaving originally, because her leaving now hurt him.
  • GA approached the revival as a one-time special event, not a return for an on-going series.
  • GA specifically mentions the ending of season 11 as problematic for her, “particularly for Scully”: “it felt like Scully’s trajectory was no longer one of strength and agency it felt like it was beholden to an old idea of of what a woman is, and that’s [William/pregnancy] all she could talk about”; DD didn’t react to that ending in the same way.

Podcast and transcript here:
https://lemonadamedia.com/podcast/catching-up-with-gillian-anderson/

Interview: Michael R. Perry

It’s #Halloween! Here’s an all-new #millenniumgroupsessionsredux interview with Michael R Perry, writer of the weirdest Halloween-themed episode that Ten Thirteen produced, “…Thirteen Years Later”, in #Millennium. Perry joined MM during season 2, his first episode was “The Mikado”, followed by four episodes in season 3. Some highlights:

  • Before working on MM, he saw Carter in the Fox lot and congratulated him for making the MM pilot, he was impressed.
  • Unmade “Dirty Snowball” episode: during s2, Morgan & Wong had an idea to focus on a suicide cult like Heaven’s Gate, have Frank Black investigate it, have Roedecker be in love with a girl in the cult. The episode got approved, he did the outline and wrote the script, then they decided to do “Owls” & “Roosters” instead. As a result, he did “The Mikado” to write a banger quality script that he could show as proof even if it got cancelled.
  • At the end of s2 everybody thought the show would be cancelled, everybody had moved on, were surprised it was renewed.
  • The writers room was just a construction trailer in the Fox lot.
  • They had an office assistant that would answer the phone in the voice of Frank Black.
  • Nothing but praise for Chris Carter (the importance of forcing writers to produce their episodes, he would go to Vancouver for casting, locations, tech scout), for director Tom Wright (meticulously prepared with a shot list with drawings in the script, thinking of lenses, involving all production departments in preparations), for Mark Snow’s music.
  • On “Thirteen Years Later”: it came to him just by the rotation of scripts among writers. A Fox executive decided on doing a Kiss-themed night and put Kiss references during many shows. Hilarious stories of Kiss behaving like rock star divas. If he were to change one thing: if the whole episode were the ravings of a lunatic, they had the opportunity to kill the main characters. Lance initially was not into doing the episode, eventually he came around when he saw it was going to be a break between serious episodes. Standards and Practices were worried that they were violating all the norms!
  • MM cancellation: happened despite good Lance/Klea chemistry, they probably learned about it after the sweeps (March/April).
  • During the recent writers strike he saw Glen Morgan (who probably still hasn’t watched s3!) and Chip Johannessen.

Millennium after the Millennium

Interview: Brad Follmer

Interview with Brad Follmer — we can finally put a face to the name! — Chris Carter’s assistant on #TheXFiles over seasons 7-9 and staff writer in the revival. Several points similar to last year’s interview with him. Some new bits:

  • He got the job despite not knowing almost anything about the show — over another candidate that had an “I heart TXF” button on her! [For the record I don’t think this is sexism — I think Carter and the producers were not looking to hire a fan]
  • He asked Carter which episodes he should watch to catch up on his work, “Triangle” was among them.
  • Various stories reading fanmail, merchandising, about invasive fans trying hard to get into contact with Carter, about increased security at the studios after 9/11
  • He was in the same office as Carter, daily — Carter always arrived early, he used to sit down and start typing, immediately
  • Interacting with Carter when Brad first read the script with the character named after him
  • Every year, director of photography Bill Roe was throwing big Superbowl parties at his place with much of the crew
  • After TXF, he helped Carter develop “The After” for Amazon, but only the pilot was produced; they had broken the stories for all of the 8 episodes of the first season when Amazon cancelled it [I want to see those stories!]
  • After that, Carter helped him develop his own pilot for a show, but it was not picked up [Carter seems like a mentor, really helping people he has worked with before]