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The X-Files Magazine: Brother from another planet

Oct-17-1996
The X-Files Magazine [Manga/UK]
Brother from another planet
Paula Vitaris

You might say that writer Darin Morgan became the proverbial overnight success – after a decade toiling away on unproduced scripts – on March 31, 1995, the day the Fox Network broadcast “Humbug”, the first X-Files episode from his pen. Although fans had already learned his name earlier in the third season – he played the ‘Flukeman’ in “The Host” and received a story credit on the subsequent episode “Blood”, written by his brother Glen and James Wong – it was Morgan’s comedic take on The X-Files that instantly struck a chord with fans. It also earned the fledging writer a place on The X-Files staff.

Humbug” was a weird experience,” he recalls. “Everyone thought it was going to be a disaster up until the time we aired it.” Then, almost immediately after its premiere showing, Morgan knew the response was far more favourable. “(Co-producer) Paul Rabwin called to tell me about the online response back East, and how everyone liked it.” Only one person seemed to have been somewhat disappointed with the show – Darin Morgan himself. As an unproven writer, Morgan had little to say in the episode’s editing process, and found that some of the character interplay didn’t make it to the final cut. “There was this funny bit with Mr. Nutt, the hotel manager (Michael Anderson),” he says. “it was a gag David Duchovny came up with on the set. The manager goes through his big long spiel about making judgements based on people’s appearances, and then Mulder goes, ‘But I am an FBI Agent.’ and shows his badge. The manager says, ‘Sign here, please,’ and you see a close up of a hand ringing a bell. That’s how it ends now. But when we shot it, the manager turns to Scully to say ‘And you’re an FBI agent as well?’ Scully nods, and then he says, ‘But you’re a woman.’ Gillian reacted as if to say, ‘WHAT? I’m going to KILL you!’ but before she could speak, Duchovny leaned over quickly and rang the bell. It was a wonderful little bit of business for both David and Gillian, but people were concerned that we were being too funny, and the decision was made to cut that out.”

Lucky for Morgan, in the wake of “Humbug’s” success, the writer was allowed much more freedom in the editing room with his three subsequent third season episodes. “I love editing,” he enthuses. “this will sound like a schmaltzy one-liner, but I told the other staff writers – who came from shows where they weren’t allowed in the editing room – that (that’s) where you do your final rewrite. All my scripts were too long, which in one respect is bad, because they had to shoot more footage, but as (editor) Stephen Mark said, it’s always so much better to trim that to have to add on.”

As a boy, Morgan had no ambitions to be a writer. He describes himself as a “regular kid” whose goal was to be a professional baseball player. He liked watching TV and went to the movies regularly with his father, a film buff. But when elder brother Glen decided to try acting in high school, Darin saw “how much fun he was having” and also became an active participant in high school dramatics. When Glen enrolled in the film school at Loyola Marymount University, Darin would visit and help his brother create student films. Eventually, Morgan the younger enrolled in the same course, discovering the classic filmmakers who would become his principal inspiration.

“I saw Buster Keaton’s THE GENERAL for the first time in a theatre that had an organ,” Morgan recollects, “and I don’t want to sound melodramatic, but seeing THE GENERAL changed my life. I thought, ‘Wow, this is what I want to do! I had a similar experience with Charlie Chaplin, when I saw CITY LIGHTS for the first time. I’d always heard Chaplin was a genius, but I hated the image of him as the Little Tramp. Watching the boxing scene in CITY LIGHTS, I realized he really *was* a genius.” Morgan’s film studies, particularly the physical comedy of silent film and the screwball genre, provided invaluable instruction in how to think visually. “I think of slapstick as a way of positioning the camera, to make a bit of business funny to look at, rather than someone having someone say something. That sounds very simple, but you mention slapstick to most people nowadays, and they just think of someone being conked on the head. The only time I write camera movement and angles is when I have a specific gag requiring the camera to be positioned in a particular way. Some gags just aren’t funny if they’re shot wrong. So in that way silent film has influenced me – you have to think about how the scene is going to be filmed. The X-Files’ visuals are mostly atmospheric. I’m told that when other television writers read our scripts, they hate them, because there’s so much description, whereas other shows don’t have *any* description. But the directors on The X-Files don’t mind being told specific things that need to be seen or shown because we are a visual show. I’ve heard stories of some directors on other shows getting very upset when a writer puts in too much description, and just to show the writer up will intentionally shoot it differently. On the X-Files, the directors are willing to have the writers put in as much as possible so that they knew exactly what we wanted.”

Morgan began writing in college, but dropped out after selling a script to a film studio. “I thought my career had started,” he says, “and that was part of my decision to leave college. I felt I’d already accomplished what I was hoping to get started there.” Then after an embarrassing attempt at writing a studio conceived “cross between BEVERLY HILLS COP and POLICE ACADEMY” which ended his Hollywood career as abruptly as it started, Morgan found himself without a job or a diploma. By this time, his brother Glen was working, with partner James Wong, for producer Stephen Cannell, and helped his brother land some guest roles on THE COMMISH and 21 JUMP STREET (which also starred Steven ‘Mr. X’ Williams). Then, in 1993, Morgan and Wong left Cannell to become writers and co-executive producers for The X-Files. “Glen showed me the pilot before it had been picked up for a series… and he was all excited about it.” But at the time, Darin, who has never been a sci-fi or horror fan, couldn’t appreciate his brother’s enthusiasm for the show. That was all soon to change. Glen, who was enjoying success on The X-Files first season, had great faith in his brother’s writing abilities, and suggest that he work on a script for The X-Files during the hiatus between the first and second seasons. Glen would then present the finished script to executive producer, Chris Carter, with a view to get it into production. Darin’s first idea was for a ‘teaser’ – TV parlance for the sequence before the titles of each episode – about two kids in a car, which eventually became the teaser for “Jose Chung’s From Outer Space.” At the same time, Glen and James Wong were suddenly faced with an unexpected assignment to write episode three (Blood), and Glen asked Darin to come up with a story idea about postal workers. Darin suggested a postal worker who goes berserk from reading subliminal messages on a sorting machine’s digital display screen, and when the amount of time allotted for writing “Blood” was cut, Glen asked Darin to come to Los Angeles to help him and Wong storyboard the episode, for which he would receive a story credit.

X-Files producer Howard Gordon, who had sat in on a Morgan and Wong story meeting which Darin had attended, proposed that Darin join the writing staff. “I guess Howard thought I understood the show,” Morgan surmises. However, Morgan himself wasn’t sure that his preference for writing comedy would suit such a serious show. “I had learned from my other job at the movie studio that I always wanted to make sure that I could do a good job on what I was writing. And I was so slow a writer back then that I was terrified of the idea of being on a staff, where you have specific deadlines. But they contacted my agent directly and my agent said, ‘Yeah, okay, he’ll do it.’ And then my agent called and said, ‘You start on Monday. you’ve been out of work a long time. You need to start somewhere again. why not do it?’ I thought that made sense.” The first contract was due to run for nine weeks, but Morgan was unconvinced that he would last even that long. “Once I started I knew right away I was in trouble,” he say. “I was trying to figure out what I could do to fit in. Fortunately, everyone assumed that Glen was supervising me – but he wasn’t. He let me go off and make up my own stories.”

The first such story was “Humbug,” after which expectations suddenly skyrocketed. And Morgan more than lived up to them, with three more outstanding third season episodes, “Clyde Bruckman’s Final Repose”, “The War of the Coprophages” and “Jose Chung’s From Outer Space”. By the end of the season, he felt burned out from all the deadlines and distressed that his episodes upset some fans, who didn’t agree with his off-kilter view of the show. Most of all, he was ready to step away from the worlds of Mulder and Scully and return to fashioning worlds in feature scripts that were wholly his own. “I prefer doing a story that stands by itself,” he explains. “With a series, you have to consider how your episode affects everyone else’s episode. I don’t want to have to worry about that anymore.”

The reputation this remarkable writer earned during his residency on The X- Files – and the nominations of his “Clyde Bruckman’s Final Repose” script for a 1996 Prime Time Emmy Award (this article is a bit dated as we all know that Darin won too!!!) – suggest that, whether his scripts end up on film or television, The X-Files was anything but Darin Morgan’s final repose.

Warner Brothers Records: Cybertalk with Mark Snow

Oct-07-1996
Warner Brothers Records
Mark Snow – Cybertalk Transcript 10/07/96.

Marksnow96: We’re here with Mark Snow…

OnlineHost: An eerie, yet intriguing, melody glides over a
: shimmering, sinister rhythmic pattern. A familiar
: sense of anticipation and delightful dread settles
: in, as one of the most evocative musical themes in
: television history announces another episode of
: The X-Files; the latest triumph in the eclectic
: career of Mark Snow.

Marksnow96: Tosend your questions in for Mark Snow, click on the interact
icon and send it in!!
Marksnow96: We are ready to begin!

From Mtowns102:
Question: Mark, What equiptment do you use in the X-File theme, and how many
tracks did you use in
Question: recording it. Were you the only musician or where there others
recording the score?

Marksnow96: My main instrument is the synclavier, a bunch of MIDI gear and my
wife whistled it and
Marksnow96: I doubled that with PRODEUS 2 (Whistling Joe).

From Eve23:
Question: Where do you get your ideas for the music on the X-Files?

Marksnow96: Just from years of listening and studying music and being heavily
Marksnow96: influenced from my favorite composers. Such as: Stravinsky,
Bartok, Ravel and John Adams
Marksnow96: And Brian Eno.

From DJL509:
Question: Are you finding it difficult to score two shows this fall instead
of just one?

Marksnow96: No – my schedules are working out really well and there’s less
music in MILLENIUM than
Marksnow96: in X-Files.

From SfStegall:
Question: Mark: Have you written any lullabies for your grandchild yet?

Marksnow96: No, but that’s a good idea. I don’t want to scare the poor
child!

From rob220:
Question: Will the XFiles ever be filmed in Portland Oregon?

Marksnow96: No it won’t, it is only filmed in Vancouver.

From BECROJAS:
Question: Is that u on the hidden tracks on the x files cd

Marksnow96: No, it’s Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds
Marksnow96: I’m not sure who is on the other hidden track.

From RBWoodb:
Question: where did you get your musical training?

Marksnow96: The Juilliard School Of Music in New York City.

From WuChou1:
Question: I regret to say that I was on a ferry to Nantucket last Friday at
nine and missed the
Question: premire. Could you tell me what happened with the alien? Most
appreciated.

Marksnow96: The alien got in all sorts of hijinx. He was buried alive in
sawdust, stung by thousands
Marksnow96: of killer bees, injected with killer alien juice and finally at
the end of the show,
Marksnow96: saves Mulder’s mother.

From IIIFaDell:
Question: What other music have you made? Are you involved in the making of
the show?

Marksnow96: I’m doing the Millenium show. I’ve done many tv movies and
min-series, including
Marksnow96: “The Last Confederate Widow Tells All” and “Children Of The
Dust.”
Marksnow96: I also did a series called “Nowhere Man” which was cancelled.
Marksnow96: I have nothing to do with the making of show.

From LingnH:
Question: Do you know what happens later in the season? Please tell!

Marksnow96: The next bunch of shows don’t have anything to do with the
Marksnow96: global conspiracy theories.. and I am sworn to secrecy about what
happens next.
Marksnow96: I hope you understand!

From FoxxMulde:
Question: What is your favorite cut on your new CD and why?

Marksnow96: Ahha… I don’t have any one favorite, but the ones I like the
most are:
Marksnow96: “One Breath” “Humbug” “Conduit” and “Soft Light”

From SLP Hawk9:
Question: Has your versio of Starsky & Hutch been released? I found it only
on a BBC import in
Question: 1980 (“BBC Detective Themes” recorded by “Laurie Holloway”, but
that record got destroyed in a
Question: move. Thanks!

Marksnow96: No.
Marksnow96: That was a long time ago. There is no version of that out that I
know of.

From MR SPOOKY:
Question: Hiya Mark! This is Mr Sp00ky! 🙂 I was wondering how it feels to
work with such talented
Question: producers Chris Carter and Paul Rabwin (and all the others) and
how it feels to work with an
Question: award winning Drama Series? Thanks!

Marksnow96: When they all like what I do, it’s great! When they don’t, it
sucks.
Marksnow96: But mostly they do! It’s a great group of people, and we all get
along.

From IIIFaDell:
Question: Your wife whistled it? It sounds synthetic, did you improve it
somehow?

Marksnow96: It’s the machine and my wife’s whistling sample combined.

From Gingerbab:
Question: I wa rather disappointed to see the X-files open their season with
the same theme song and
Question: opening sequences. Any plans to change either soon??

Marksnow96: No! We are not going to argue with success.

From TwnklToes:
Question: I was wondering how you chose victims for yor show. I’ve always
wanted to be on your show.

Marksnow96: We interview people and see who the most vulnerable are. The
ones who get
Marksnow96: scared the most, we keep them!

From Gambit161:
Question: How do you come up with the songs on the show?

Marksnow96: Well. it’s like, I’m an accompanment to the show.
Marksnow96: I loook at the action and the drama and that gives me the ideas.

From KReedstro:
Question: Can you think of some shows that have failed because of poor music?

Marksnow96: No – but I can think of great music that has failed because of
poor shows.

From Sam67:
Question: are you worried that the synclavier, which is your main axe, won’t
be supported much
Question: longer?

Marksnow96: good question…
Marksnow96: But, even though the company has gone down, a fellow in New
Hampshire
Marksnow96: has inherited all of the blueprints and all of the spare parts.
Marksnow96: There is still very good support in L.A.
Marksnow96: The synclavier is still (for me) the quickest and most
Marksnow96: elegant of all.

From Scooby134:
Question: How long does it take you to write the score for a whole show?

Marksnow96: It takes anywhere from 3-5 days.

From Bondo9401:
Question: With the two shows being so close in their dark tone, is it a
challange to keep the music
Question: different and original for both?

Marksnow96: It was at the bginning, but in the opening episode of Millenium,
I established a different
Marksnow96: sound that that of X-Files. I’ll be able to stick with that
sound on Millenium, which
Marksnow96: I hope you will find different from X-Files.

From JJRobb:
Question: hi love your show. will we ever find out the truth about mulder’s
sister?
Marksnow96: There will be clues about Mulder’s sister throughout this year…
with a SHOCKING
Marksnow96: conclusion.

From QL Tiersk:
Question: Which of the X-Files episodes contains your favorite score?

Marksnow96: There are a few. “Colony/End Game” “Humbug” “Grotesque” “Jose
Chung”
Marksnow96: and “Ice”

From Tanis8002:
Question: Mark, what is your favorite episode?

Marksnow96: “Jose Chung”

From Bailey917:
Question: Does anything ever happen between Mulder and Scully?

Marksnow96: Nothing has happened, or will ever happen between Mulder and
Scully.

From CBrown511:
Question: Are you yourself interested in the supernatural??

Marksnow96: Yes I am! I saw a UFO once.
Marksnow96: At least I think that is what it was.
Marksnow96: On the New York stat freeway near Albany, I was driving and
looked up and saw
Marksnow96: a large round craft with lights.

From TNaszcyni:
Question: When will your new CD be out?
Marksnow96: The new cd called “The Truth and the Light” is out on October
8th. Tomorrow!

From LBock9814:
Question: You say it is only filmed in Vancouver. Why does it give viewers
specific locations such
Question: as Washington D.C.?
Marksnow96: The great thing about Vancouver is that it has many different
looks.
Marksnow96: Urban, mountains, lakes, rural countryside, desert, and so on.
Marksnow96: I’m just fine, thank you!

From Larencel:
Question: Mark, are you planning to release any of the music from “Nowhere
Man” or “Millenium” on CD?

Marksnow96: There’s ionterest for themusic from “Nowhere Man” from a label in
San Francisco.
Marksnow96: And Interscope records wants to do the Millenium soundtrack.

From Wu Chou 1:
Question: Have you ever been filmed in an episode?

Marksnow96: No, not yet, but I’d love to be one of the serial killers.

Question: What are you going to be for Halloween?

Marksnow96: I’m going to dress up as FoxxMulder and go to Paris and ride the
subways and
Marksnow96: see if anyone recognizes me.
Marksnow96: If that doesn’t work, I am going to dress up as Eugene Tooms and
sneak into people’s
Marksnow96: houses and give them very bad spankings!
Marksnow96: Question: Are there monsters under your bed?
Marksnow96: The only monster I know, are the ones lurking in my brain.

From MoeWarner:
Question: Mark…what other ambient artists do you listen to?

Marksnow96: Brian Eno, Deep Forest, Philip Glass, Bob Dole

From Litl Hmbr:
Question: DId you enter Juilliard as a piano student?

Marksnow96: No, as an oboe student.

Question: Mark, do you like pastrami or corned beef on your reuben sandwich?
Marksnow96: good question!
Marksnow96: I love pastrami plain, but on a reuben sandwich, corned beef.
Marksnow96: But my favorite deli sandwich of all is: briskett with Russian
dressing and coleslaw
Marksnow96: on rye.

From StarTravr:
Question: What are your favorite present electronic composers? If there are
any.

Marksnow96: Spectrum
Marksnow96: they are my current favorite…

From Starbuck2:
Question: How much influence, if any, does Chris Carter have on the music
that you write for the
Question: show?

Marksnow96: At the beginning, he was very specific with what he wanted. He
hated melody and loved
Marksnow96: ambient atmospheric sound, but I knew I couldn’t do that for
every show. So, now
Marksnow96: the shows are a combination of ambient music and actual music.

From Sigenpob:
Question: why can’t i find your cd anywhere?

Marksnow96: You will tomorrow!
Marksnow96: It’s called “The Truth And The LIght” from Warner Bros. Records
and it comes out tomorrow.

From XPiperBlu:
Question: Mr. Snow- do you ever want to actually be in an X-Files episode?
perhaps, as one fan
Question: suggested, whistling the theme to the show?

Marksnow96: I think that’s a great idea..
Marksnow96: I’d love to be in a scene at night with Mulder and Scully talking
t o each
Marksnow96: other in the street, and I’m this guy with dark glasses and a tin
cup, whistling the
Marksnow96: theme song.

From Krazkin:
Question: Mark, are you ever overwhelmed success of the X-Files and
furthermore by the fame you’ve
Question: achieved through your contribution.

Marksnow96: Completely surprised by it and actually very happy about it. I
never thought it would be
Marksnow96: this successful.

From Gzjena:
Question: Have you ever considered working on a music and/or interactive
CD-ROM with the producers
Question: of the X-Files?

Marksnow96: The producers of the show don’t have time for anything but the
show, but I’ve been
Marksnow96: contacted by people who do interactive games to do music for
them.

From JK 12005:
Question: HOW OLD ARE YOU

Marksnow96: That’s my secret!

From Go4Itt:
Question: How many CD’s are there for XFiles with your music and what are
there names? Which is
Question: your favorite piece?

Marksnow96: “Songs In The Key Of x” and “The Truth and The Light”, which is
only
Marksnow96: the background music for X-Files. It comes out tomorrow!
Marksnow96: Buy it! You’ll like it! Play it loud!!!

From Carter101:
Question: How do you know so much about the show, if you only write the
music?

Marksnow96: Because I see it before I write the music for it!!!!

From AKins721:
Question: Hello…I am a huge XFiles fan…What do you have planned for this
season…The opening
Question: show was great

Marksnow96: There are some amazingly bizarre shows this season, more
Marksnow96: adventurous than the first three years. Especially, show # 3
entitled “Home.”

From Tanis8002:
Question: Mark, what other TV shows do you watch?
Marksnow96: I love “True Stories of the Highway Patrol”

From Krazkim:
Question: Mark! I have to know this. How come when Moulder stabbed the alien
with the AWL he didn’t
Question: die?? Please!!

Marksnow96: Because, he was a much more pwerful alien than the one portrayed
by Roy Thinnes.
Marksnow96: Mulder’s AWL was purchased by K-Mart.

From Reaper417:
Question: Did you write any sone on the CD Songs in the Key of X?

Marksnow96: No – just the theme.

From Machroon:
Question: Do you get and grupies because of the show??

Marksnow96: Only on the internet, since we don’t tour with the Mark
Snow/X-Files orchestra.

From Silvag721:
Question: What is your favorate instrument?

Marksnow96: Cello, English horn, and the harp.

From Restopan:
Question: Mark, are you pleased with the mixes on the show ?

Marksnow96: I always like to hear the music a little hotter, but mostly they
do a good job.

From Bondo9401:
Question: Tell us about the studio you have in your house to do the music.
Do you use that on
Question: Millenium?

Marksnow96: yes, it’s my garage that I converted into a studio.
Marksnow96: It’s a very neat compact room.

From Sigenpob:
Question: For the X-movie will you compose a complete symphonic score or will
it be more synthesiser
Question: stuff?

Marksnow96: It will be a huge 85 piece orchestra, combined with some of my
cooler electronic sound

From PJMcCanna:
Question: Do you ever get scared of your show?

Marksnow96: There was one scene, where somebody was taking a shower and he
coughed some
Marksnow96: horrible slimy seaslug thing.. I had to watch that scene a lot.
It was pretty gross.

From PFadis107:
Question: How did you learn about the X-files?

Marksnow96: A producer/friend of mine named R.W. Goodwin got me involved in
the show and
Marksnow96: introduced me to Chris Carter.

From Eve23:
Question: Is there a specific process you use to create your music for
X-Files and Millenium? If
Question: so, what is it?

Marksnow96: I always start on the longest hardest piece of music first, and
base the rest of the
Marksnow96: score around that.

From Wu Chou1:
Question: Do you wear a lot of black?

Marksnow96: When I am feeling extra-overweight I do.

From SLMooney:
Question: How does working on the X-Files compare to other shows you’ve
worked on?

Marksnow96: It’s the most fun I’ve ever had! It’s the best show
Marksnow96: on TV. I don’t know if there will ever be anything as cool as
the X-Files.

From Machroon:
Question: Marksnow what are some purks as a result of the show????

Marksnow96: I got a free Paul Simon hair piece and autographed pictures of
David Duchovny
Marksnow96: and Gillian Andersen.

From Sexyman02:
Question: What is Gillian Anderson like off camera?

Marksnow96: She’s incredibly sweet, unpretentious, a really great down to
earth person.

From Sexyman02:
Question: Is there plans for another X-Files CD in the future?

Marksnow96: Well, depending on how this one sells…
Marksnow96: so, everybody buy “The Truth and The LIght” tomorrow!!!!

FromNettie82:
Question: Mark, when did you first start to write music?

Marksnow96: After I saw the first Planet of The Apes movie.
Marksnow96: Jerry Goldsmith’s score really inspired me.
Marksnow96: Last question here…. time to go!

From Ophelia41:
Question: Hi Mark! What’s your favorite key or chord?

Marksnow96: Hi Ophelia! Thanks for showing up!
Marksnow96: I do love F minor and D minor.
Marksnow96: That’s the real “Key of X-Files.”
Marksnow96: Thank you all for showing up!
Marksnow96: I love you all. They were great questions.
Marksnow96: Hope to see you in some of the X-files chat rooms soon.
Marksnow96: THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!
Marksnow96: Good night everyne!!

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Shivers: Nic Lea: Bad Boy Makes Good

October 1996
Shivers #34
Nic Lea: Bad Boy Makes Good
A Shivers Interview by Nigel Adams

The last time we spoke to Nick Lea, the actor who portrays double-Agent Alex Krycek in THE X-FILES, he had just completed work on “The Blessing Way” and “Paper Clip,” the opening two episodes of the series’ third season. At that time, Nic was looking forward to his next appearance on the series, but had little idea when it would occur or what form his return would take. Upon receiving the scripts for the two-parter that heralded Krycek’s return, “Piper Maru” and “Apocrypha,” the actor freely admits he was more than a little surprised…

“It really wasn’t what I expected,” Nic says of the storyline in which his character has clearly fallen on hard times and is having to sell classified government secrets in order to survive, “but I was really excited about it. It was great because it gave me the scope to have some input into what I was going to look like physically. I wanted to really make a definite change between how we’d seen him at the beginning [of Krycek’s time on the series] — the suit and tie — and then later with the black leather and the chopped haircut and the bags under the eyes and everything. I really wanted to make him look like a man on the run and when I saw the script and I saw what I was going to be doing I thought what a great opportunity to be doing that kind of thing.”

Once upon a time, it was almost inconceivable that a young, good-looking American actor-about-town would want their appearance to be soured by unkempt hair and untidy stubble, but Nic believes that times have changed since then. Asked why he feels that is, the actor holds up a copy of a recent SHIVERS that conveniently happens to be lying nearby; one featuring a cover shot of Brat Pitt in SEVEN. “I have respect for [Pitt] because he takes chances in the things that he does,” Nic states. “In TWELVE MONKEYS a lot of that look was his own idea — cutting the hair and the contact lenses, all that business.” Certainly, Nick is happier working in a profession where appearances are beginning to matter less and less. “For me, it’s not so much about looks as it is about hopefully representing the character properly or doing an interesting job on screen,” he says. “I’d much rather do something interesting than look good. Certainly, there’s some concern sometimes because you want to be seen in a leading man role or whatever, but it’s more important to me to do something interesting than to look good.” Taking that sentiment to the extreme, Nic says he was thrilled by Krycek’s final scene in THE X-FILES to date. “Did you see ‘Apocrypha’?” he asks. “At the end of that episode, in the missile silo, it was not attractive at all, but I loved doing it.”

SECRETS IN HONG KONG

In “Piper Maru,” Special Agent Fox Mulder once again becomes entangled with his nemesis Krycek after discovering that it is the latter who is behind the selling of government secrets in Hong Kong. Their re-encounter leads to another exhilarating fight scene which, like that in “Anasazi” at the end of the previous season, was jointly choreographed by Nic and David Duchovny. However, the fight sequence in “Piper Maru” was put together under somewhat different circumstances from the characters’ first set-to. “The first time that we did a fight, the stunt man turned up late, so David and I choreographed that one,” Nic explains. “Then this time, they didn’t even think of having a stuntman for the scene, they just let us go ahead and do it ourselves. We added all kinds of things that they hadn’t really thought of: the head butt and all that business; his hitting me with the phone was something we also thought of while we were there and actually when I walked past him on one of the takes, he actually whacked me on the head with the phone and I had a big egg on my forehead. And he felt horrible about that!” But Nic still feels that such risks of minor injuries are still worth taking. “It’s great, because he and I both really love doing that sort of thing; it’s great that we can get involved.”

Then in one of THE X-FILES’ most “Sci-Fi” plots to date, Krycek is possessed by an alien who is leaping from one human body to another to enable itself to return to its buried spacecraft. Nic says that playing the possessed Krycek provided him with one of his greatest acting challenges to date. “What they said they wanted was emotionless,” he reveals, “and I mean, How do you do emotionless? Whatever the situation you’re in as an actor, there’s some sort of emotion. So it was kind of a challenge, but then I watched TERMINATOR 2 and I watched Robert Patrick do what he did, and it was really icy and really cold, and I tried to that a little bit. Then in the scene where I drop the tape on [the Cigarette Smoking Man’s] desk and I say, “Where is it?” I was trying to think of how Laurence Olivier did it in MARATHON MAN — how cold and scary that was, and I just tired to feed on kind of those things. They told me that they were really really happy with the way that ended up. There’s also this scene where we crash and they pull me out of the car,” he adds, “and they wanted a snakey sort of body movement. That was fun, too, although at the time you do it you’re not really sure if you’re giving them what they want, if it’s way over the top or not enough.”

The only indication that Krycek, and the other hosts, have been taken over, is an oily sheen that comes over their eyes. This, though, was an element that Nick didn’t have to concern himself with. “The eyes were all done in post-production,” he says. “I had no idea how they were going to achieve that. They shot a white screen and injected balsamic vinegar or oil into it and matted it onto my eyes. It was pretty clever.”

Next month: Nic’s X-FILES memories continue.

(Note: the second part of this interview actually did not appear until the next year, October 1997.)

Toronto Sun: It’s Work that Woos Nick Lea

September 28, 1996
Toronto Sun
It’s Work that Woos Nick Lea

Over the phone and over-caffeinated, Nicholas Lea talks about the aches and pains of an action role and the aggravation of uncertainty.

“I’m pacing around like some kind of caged animal,” Lea says, jacked up after breaking a coffee fast.

The actor is restlessly playing the waiting game until Fox decides whether to expand tomorrow night’s TV movie, John Woo’s Once A Thief, into a weekly series.

The film, Woo’s first for television, airs at 8 p.m. on Fox, at 9 on Global. An adventure about a crime-fighting trio, two defectors from the Hong Kong underworld, played by Ivan Sergei and Sandrine Holt, and a former cop, played by Lea, the movie is marked by the stylish action and tongue-in-cheek violence that are Woo’s trademark. Lea’s and Sergei’s characters meet in a balletic fight scene in which the asthetically-appreciative pair take pains not to nick the furniture.

“To the two characters, it’s deadly serious,” Lea says of the extremely funny sequence. “Physically it was pretty tough. I’ve got to say the next day I was in some pain. This is one of the first jobs I’ve had where I show up every day with elbow pads and knee pads.”

Executive producers Glenn Davis and William Laurin describe Lea’s character, ex-detective Victor Mansfield, as a “Gen-X Steve McQueen.”

“Wow. I’ll take that as a compliment,” says Lea. “But right from the beginning when I read the script I saw this guy as having more of an edge than I think they saw. They wanted him to be the everyman kind of guy that everyone could relate to. I saw him as being much darker but that’s sort of my take about a lot of things anyway. I like to look for the dark side, the incomplete side, of characters.”

Fox has ordered six more Once A Thief scripts and is considering it as a midseason series. Lea signed a standard five-year contract and until the network votes yea or nay, is obligated to remain available.

“You have to sit back and wait and I’m not good at that. I get a little impatient,” he admits. “I’m still trying to find a way to creatively fill my time when I’m not working. For the first week, I sort of feel like I deserve it, even though that might not quite be the truth, but I just like to work. As an actor, when you’re not working, you’re going, ‘What am I? What the hell am I?'”

What Lea is is a Vancouver native who studied art at college and sang lead for the alternative rock band Beau Monde before breaking into acting. Although he still plays and sings on his own time, he’s yet to have a singing role on TV or film.

“Hopefully one of these years,” he says. “Like another Eddie And The Cruisers would be cool.” Suddenly, there’s a low buzz on the phone line. “Maybe there’s some surveillance going on,” Lea jokes, in a paranoid fashion in keeping with his best-known role as The X-Files’ duplicitous FBI Agent Krycek.

Krycek was last seen alien-infested, locked in a secret military bunker and presumably done for. “Nine lives,” Lea presumes of plans for at least two more Krycek episodes, although he doesn’t know yet how he managed to cheat death.

“I know nothing. I’m going to call and see if they can give me something, like if I should stop eating now if Krycek’s supposed to be totally emaciated or whether he was kept in kind of a time-suspended-animation thing. I’m really curious.”

( … Nick Lea plays a former policeman in John Woo’s Once A Thief. The actor also portrays the duplicitous FBI agent Krycek on The X-Files.)

Los Angeles Times: TV's New Season

Sep-15-1996
Los Angeles Times
TV’s New Season
Brian Lowry

Small Screen, Big Headaches

Talk about static. Three top series creators get together to discuss the future–and find an ominous new ratings system, intrusive network execs and increasingly demanding talent, among other concerns.

How do some of television’s top producers feel about the state of the industry?

Seeking to take the pulse of TV’s creative community on the eve of the new prime-time season, Calendar brought together three producers of current hits–Steven Bochco, Marta Kauffman and Chris Carter–to explore that question.

Bochco, 52, will soon be inducted into the Television Academy Hall of Fame and can claim one of the best batting averages in television history. Through the years, he has been associated with such hits as “Hill Street Blues,” “L.A. Law” and “Doogie Howser, M.D.” as well as the returning ABC series “NYPD Blue” and “Murder One.” Bochco has also earned a reputation as a risk-taker, someone who seems to welcome controversy. His latest show (and first under a new deal at CBS), “Public Morals,” focuses on vice squad cops and is expected to air with a parental-discretion advisory because of its language and subject matter.

Kauffman, 39, with partners David Crane and Kevin S. Bright forms the producing team responsible for NBC’s “Friends,” an enormous ratings draw entering its third season, whose cultural influence has ranged from fashion to hairstyles. Before that, Kauffman and Crane created the popular HBO comedy “Dream On.” In addition, the “Friends” trio has a deal with NBC to produce a new comedy starring “Cheers” alumna Kirstie Alley, tentatively scheduled for next fall.

Carter, also 39, created Fox’s top-rated show, “The X-Files,” which will move from Fridays to Sundays in late October. With the possible exception of “Friends,” the series has become prime time’s most-imitated program, with NBC alone introducing three new Saturday dramas designed to attract the same sort of audience. Carter’s latest series, “Millennium,” is an even darker hour about a former FBI investigator with a facility for profiling killers. With the series taking over “The X-Files” time slot, Fox’s fortunes ride to a large extent on Carter’s shoulders.

Calendar asked these producers–representing shows on all four major networks, as well as comedy and drama–to assemble for an informal round-table discussion about issues facing the industry. Bochco and Carter had met briefly, but neither previously knew Kauffman.

Not surprisingly, the biggest challenge involved finding a time when all three could meet. The interview ultimately took place in Bochco’s office.

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Question: What issues, as the season approaches, are top of mind with you relating to television?

Kauffman: All three of us seem to have one issue in common, and that’s the V-chip TV ratings system issue.

Carter: Or the C-chip: the content chip.

Kauffman: That’s what I’m afraid of. That’s what scares me. We have lesbians in our show; does that automatically give you a rating, just because there’s an idea that some people may be uncomfortable with?

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Q: Does it change the way you approach the shows? Each of you has shows that specifically have raised different issues.

Bochco: It’s not going to affect what Chris is already doing or what I’m already doing.

Kauffman: Oh, yes it does. Very much so. We came under such fire once we moved to 8 o’clock. As the climate changed, it became more reactionary. It’s affected us enormously.

Bochco: What I’m concerned about, and what I’m sure Chris is concerned about, is what’s going to happen with development [of new shows]. That to me is the most chilling part. It’s one thing to say, “Well, ‘Friends’ is ‘Friends,’ ” and of course it’s a big hit. If tomorrow they moved it back to 9 o’clock, you’d then be dealing with a different set of standards, more akin probably to what you started with.

The thing that I find so potentially distressing, and I’ve said this before, is that I don’t think in this climate I could develop “NYPD Blue.”

Kauffman: I couldn’t develop “Friends” in this climate. One of the issues is we are suddenly being asked to write something we are not familiar with. The show makes certain demands on you as a writer. After a while that takes over.

Carter: I actually developed something that is definitely pushing the limits of standards, so I don’t know that you can’t develop [risk-taking programs] in this climate, although we have the luxury of having proven ourselves with what we do. A case has already been made, so I was able to push the limits of content to an extent–not violence per se but content.

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Q: Isn’t that the assumption: because you’re associated with hit shows, you have more latitude?

Kauffman: I don’t believe so. It may be different in the 8-10 p.m. hours. My fear is that once the TV ratings system is in place, people are going to say, “You know, I don’t think we want to develop those kind of shows anymore, because we know that these advertisers are not going to want [to support them].” I think that this year is less of a concern than next year.

Bochco: I’m less concerned with how we execute a show once it’s on the air. I’ll fight those battles, and I think you can win those battles. Because in fact once your show is on the air, particularly if it’s getting any sort of viewership, the truth is you’ve got [the network] over a barrel.

The other issue may well be that this is an election year, so just from a purely practical point of view, all of us are going to be scattered and none of us are going to be able to develop any momentum in the early going. For an established show it’s not a problem, but for a new show it is going to be a problem.

Once that election is over, politically, who knows? This could really go away. Listen, you can’t un-ring a bell. I’ve been in television for almost 30 years, and I’m here to tell you it doesn’t go back. It goes forward. It’s not an unbroken line. If you graph it, it’s spiky here and there, but inevitably this medium is dragged [forward] kicking and screaming.

Kauffman: I think we think we’ve gone farther than we have. We’ve made a little progress here and there.

Bochco: But it’s a different medium now than it was. Twenty-five years ago, you couldn’t have a real dialogue with broadcast standards, and the rules were such you couldn’t show two married people in bed together. You couldn’t say the word “damn.” I remember the first time I ever put the word “bastard” in a script, the [expletive] hit the fan. It’s just a different world.

Kauffman: I have to say, I react as a mom too. I have two young kids, and I find the whole V-chip TV ratings system incredibly offensive. First of all, my kids watch my show, and most of it goes over their heads. The only questions my kids ever ask me is “What’s a lesbian?” and I should answer that question.

Beyond that, I think it [leads to] uninformed decisions being made by the government, not by the individual or especially by the parents.

Bochco: Every show is rated already, just in terms of the fact that nothing that gets on the air is an unknown commodity, so there is a book on everything. No one’s going to tune in to “Public Morals” unaware that it’s kicked up a little controversy by virtue of its language, so to that extent everything out there is already informally rated.

To me the chilling part is hooking that rating to a technological system that then becomes by definition censorship. That’s the part of it that’s scary.

Carter: I’m doing a show, “Millennium,” and it’s very intense. As a responsible producer, there’s a limit to which I think kids will be too young to watch this show, and without putting an advisory on the beginning, I don’t know how to put that point across except in that way you’re suggesting, which is this informal ratings system. The press does this job, the media does this job, of informing viewers.

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Q: In some respect, isn’t an advisory liberating? If you know “Millennium” is going to get an advisory, then you can play with it a bit more?

Kauffman: It’s one thing to have an advisory, and then you go back to content, which to me is the scariest issue here. When you start advising about content, you’re talking morals and judgments and a system that just doesn’t make any sense.

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Q: Do you feel you’ve been well informed about this process?

Carter: I don’t. It’s always changing, [and] I don’t know quite what is going to be incorporated when. My fear is that the dialogue will end, that there will be a final, definitive decision.

Kauffman: When we did our lesbian wedding episode, NBC put on extra operators. That night, they had four phone calls. That’s it. Months later, the mail started pouring in: Rev. [Donald] Wildmon got a bunch of people together to complain, and he never saw the [expletive] thing. They knew it was something with lesbians, and they got mad.

Carter: I just hope the dialogue continues. I don’t want, once these things move farther along, for us to quit talking about what it is that we are going to be censoring or governing.

Bochco: I may be a little more cynical, to the extent that I’ll believe it when I see it. I am more skeptical than most people in this creative community that this will actually eventuate into a coherent system of ratings and technology.

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Q: Let’s cut to another issue, which is not just the content of the shows but getting them launched with the low ratings the networks have had over the summer.

Bochco: That’s going to be tough this year. It’s always tough in the fall with the glut of new shows. You’ve always got events, with the World Series, the playoffs–and this year you’ve got a presidential election and debates.

Then, by the time most everything gets on, you’re going to be deep into October, so you’re into the holiday season and those holiday preemptions. It’s real tough for new shows.

Carter: I keep saying, all I can do is just the same good work and hope that people come.

Bochco: “Murder One” is a perfect example of a show that just got killed in terms of its time slot, getting yanked off for seven weeks, then coming back in a different time period. You couldn’t have asked for a more horrific scenario, and yet we’re back, because we kept our eye on the one thing we did have control over, which is the work.

I have no control over where they put me. I have no control where they move me or preemptions. All I can control is the quality of the work.

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Q: What do you think of the quality of television generally right now?

Bochco: I think there’s an awful lot of good stuff on television. That said, none of us can watch it all, and there’s so much stuff that the majority of it will always be mediocre.

Kauffman: A lot of people will probably get [angry] at me for this–and maybe it’s because I don’t do drama and don’t have the same harsh judgment–but it seems to me that drama has really improved, and comedy for the most part still sucks.

There’s very little comedy I can watch and really enjoy. I think it’s banal and stupid.

Carter: I sort of agree, although it may be unfair because I’m taking potshots at a format I’m not working in. I think what bothers me about it is that it’s that same proscenium show; it’s all the same. The lighting is the same, the rhythms are the same. It’s setup, joke.

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Q: Do you attribute any of that to the glut of shows?

Kauffman: Honestly, what I attribute it to is people feel they can write TV from whatever they were doing. Lawyers go, “You know, I can do that.” What happens is there were no people who learned theater, who learned dramatic structure, who learned how to write a scene.

Bochco: Everybody thinks they know what funny is. What’s funny is like music–everybody’s an expert about music, because everybody has their own sensibility. When it comes to what Chris and I do, you tend to get a little more regard, because most of those folks at the network don’t have a clue about how to do what we do, but they all think they have a clue about how to do [comedy].

It’s been 15 years since I’ve ever submitted an outline to a network or even told them what we’re doing. The first time they know what we’re doing is when a script plops on their desk, and then we go and shoot the script. That’s it. Nobody ever calls and gives me notes on a script from the network. You get your broadcast standards stuff, then you go and make the show.

“Public Morals,” and I’m sure it’s the same with every other half-hour, you go to your table reading [rehearsal], and there [the network executives] are. They’re hovering, and they have their notes, and then comes the night of the taping and the filming, and there they are again, and they’re rubbing their hands. You look over and you see somebody from the network, and of course they never laugh, they never smile. You think, “Where do they find people to work in comedy who never enjoy what they’re doing?”

Kauffman: We must have very good network people. Chances are, we’re going to be a lot harder on ourselves than they will ever be on us.

Bochco: Yeah, but Marta, you’re doing “Friends.” They can afford to come in, have a Diet Coke and chortle and giggle and have a good time.

Kauffman: I got asked a lot last year about “Friends” rip-offs. I think one of the problems with quality is that networks and studios somehow believe it’s a formula–“There’s a hit, so this is what it was about, let’s just do that again”–without taking the time to find anyone who has a passion for saying something.

Carter: I see it as a hedging of bets. They hedge their bets all the way along by wanting a proven commodity. In the beginning, much less now, I felt like I was sort of dared to succeed–they were always spending as little money as they could because we were going to fail anyway.

Bochco: It gets you to that fundamental difference between the business that they’re in and the business that we’re in. They really are in the manufacturing business and the selling business, and we, God help us, are sort of in the art business.

Fifteen years ago, no one in our position would have the arrogance to use the “A” word in television. I started using it eight or 10 years ago with a slight embarrassment, and I don’t anymore. There is a lot of fine art being produced and written for television.

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Q: You all have to staff your shows with writers. What does the number of shows do to the talent pool?

Kauffman: Three hundred scripts you read to find 10 writers, and maybe six of them you’re interested in. I get very, very upset about this, that people get title promotions only because they’ve done it for a year. Suddenly it says “supervising producer,” and they can’t spell.

Bochco: On “Hill Street Blues,” 13 years ago, there was a staff of writers on that show five deep, every one of whom could go off and write a great “Hill Street Blues.” I’ll bet you there’s not an hour show in television that can boast a staff five deep, any one of whom can go off and write a script like that.

Carter: What I’ve found too is that when you do find somebody that’s good, all of a sudden I feel like a major-league manager running a farm system at the same time, because the network or the studio is going to take that person I’ve found and try to develop [new shows] with them. It’s like mitosis, wanting to divide the cells and grow new ones.

Kauffman: It’s so frustrating, when you’ve found people and groomed them, and you finally get somebody who can take over your show someday, and they’re gone.

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Q: What about talent demands? Have talent demands gotten more difficult or less difficult? Is it just that we report on it more now?

Bochco: Obviously, you hear more about it. The amount of interest in what goes on behind the scenes of what we all do is unparalleled. I’ve never seen anything like the way it is now. All of us, in a certain way, are of interest to the audience as much as the actors are.

When [producer] Dick Wolf took those two guys [the stars of “New York Undercover,” who briefly tried to hold out for more money] behind the shed, everyone in our business, and I suspect everyone reading about it in the papers, said, “Atta boy, Dick. Those two guys are dopes. What a pair of mopes they are. They really stepped in something squishy, and they got what they deserved.”

Kauffman: That’s the worst part of it. Negotiations are never fun for anybody, but they’re negotiations and you get over it and keep doing the work. The problem is when it gets out [publicly], it’s very disruptive, and things get bent out of proportion.

Bochco: If I’m an actor on one of those ensemble comedies, where maybe two or three or four of them look exactly alike, there’s every reason to believe they may never have a success like they’re experiencing now. It may never happen again.

It’s like being a professional athlete. You’ve got a real small window. This man [pointing to Carter] is going to make 10 more shows and going to have more [expletive] money than God. This woman [Kauffman] will do the same thing, and so will I. Actors may never have another opportunity.

The truth is, I’m sympathetic to them. I’m married to an actress [“Murder One’s” Barbara Bosson]. Smart actors know that. I’m for them getting everything they can legitimately get within the boundaries of professional behavior, [understanding] that we all have contracts.

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Q: Beyond the obvious, because you’ve all experienced something very few people will, what’s the best part and most aggravating part about being associated with a hit show?

Kauffman: Truthfully, the best part is doing something you’re proud of. It’s an amazing feeling. You don’t get to do that a lot.

Bochco: And doing something that everybody also acknowledges, because I’ve done things that haven’t succeeded I’ve been very proud of.

Kauffman: The worst part for me is not seeing my family. It’s so hard.

Bochco: It’s a crucifixion. Nobody knows, nor need they know, because it’s not anybody’s problem. They shouldn’t see how hard we work, but it’s routinely six- and 6 1/2-day weeks, nine months a year.

Kauffman: It’s also really hard to go to work, for me, and look at those women [in the “Friends” cast] every day.

Carter: Actually, what really makes me happy is doing something that people respond to. It sort of vindicates your view of the world. As a storyteller, you’re telling a story that people want to see and to hear.

Also, when I get a group of people working together and it clicks, there’s actually a team, an esprit de corps that happens. It’s really special.

Kauffman: Collaboration. It’s invigorating.

Exposé: Middle Man

September 1996
Exposé #2
Middle Man

Nicholas Lea, alias Mulder’s one-time partner Alex Krycek in THE X-FILES, talks to EXPOSE. By Jane Killick.

The last time viewers saw Agent Krycek, played by Nicholas Lea, he was locked in an
underground vault, apparently left to die. But as we know, appearances can be deceptive in THE X-FILES.

“I’ll definitely be coming back,” says Lea. “They’ve assured me that I’m over the death hump. They haven’t really given me an idea of how or when or how many, but I know that I’m coming back.”

Nic Lea became a semi-regular on THE X-FILES at the beginning of the second season when Scully was abducted. As Alex Krycek, he was the fresh face straight out of the academy who wormed his way into Mulder’s confidence to become his partner, but who was secretly working for Mulder’s adversary, the Cigarette Smoking Man. Nic spent a long time speaking to the show’s writers and producers to hone down his character, as well as doing some research of his own.

“Any kind of research that you can do, for me, usually helps,” says the actor. “It helps to ground you in the character and helps you feel more prepared to take on the role. So when you walk in front of the camera, hopefully there’s something interesting there. I read a lot about the FBI and the training and double agents. I looked at people who’d worked undercover in certain circumstances and what lengths they’d gone to change their identity or their personalities in order to be more successful in their undercover job.”

One side of Krycek was eager and exuberant, but the other was less sure of himself. He was a man in over his head, nervous about his double life, trying to maintain his cool with Mulder, while consciously working for the other side.

“I was trying to bring a certain tension to it or an intensity to it. He’s not nervous, but when he’s not that fresh-faced, straight-out-of-the-academy young agent, there’s some tension.”

Nic is a native of Canada where THE X-FILES is filmed, and made his first appearance in the show as Michel, a nightclubber attacked by a sex-changing alien killer in the episode “Genderbender.”

“A few of the crew members had already worked on a show I had previously been in called THE COMMISH, so I already knew a lot of them on a friendship level. I never felt uncomfortable or like an outsider on that show. They’ve always treated me with respect and been really warm and supportive.”

When he was re-cast the following year as Krycek, it was originally only for three episodes. But once the character had been established, the option to bring him back and do more interesting things with him was taken up. That was great for Nic, not only because it meant more work, but also because he feels there is something special about working on THE X-FILES.

“I love being on the show so much, so I get energized by it and my creative thoughts start to flow. I mean, I’ve worked on other shows and I always try to put in as much input as I can, but sometimes…” he hesitates before admitting, “…sometimes I can’t be bothered. But on this show, specifically when I work with Rob Bowman, who’s directed quite a few of the episodes that I’ve been in, he’s really great as far as listening to actors is concerned. Right from the first time that we met, working on “Genderbender,” I had a lot of ideas about what I could do here and there. Ideas with make-up and ideas about what I was doing physically in the scene, and he always listened to them and quite often took the suggestions. It’s great to be able to do that on shows. Often you get, ‘No, you do this and you do that’ and it tends to confine you creatively.”

Krycek was brought in partly to be more of a physical threat to Mulder. Although a brooding undercurrent of danger has always existed with characters like the Cigarette Smoking Man, Mulder rarely got a chance to confront his foes face-to-face until Krycek came along.

“It seems that most of the time he and I are physically at odds now,” says Nic. “If [Krycek wasn’t] an intellectual threat, he certainly posed a physical threat which nobody else on the show does. It’s been described to me that I’m sort of the dark counterpart to Mulder, which is kind of interesting. I never really thought of it that way before, but I’m the Yin to his Yang.”

The physical aspects of playing Krycek are obviously appealing: “I love it,” he says. They range from the fist fight he had with Mulder at the end of the second season to his dramatic escape from a car primed to explode at the beginning of the third.

“There was a great deal of preparation,” he says. “What they had was a car filled with gasoline — huge containers of gasoline — and they said ‘You can stand beside the car and then you start running.’ But I said “Wouldn’t it be more interesting if I was actually sitting in the car when the shot starts because then there’s a little more energy and excitement behind it?’ And they thought about that and they talked about it with the demolitions expert and he thought it was okay, so we went ahead and did that.”

“It was pretty scary because all that’s separating me and death is a guy with his finger on a button. I would run from the car and a certain point I would hit a mark and he would press the button and ‘boom!’, it would explode behind me. We went over it many times, we had about five cameras going on it and we had a huge crowd gathered to watch it. It was pretty much a one-take deal, it really had to go right the first time. It was scary. We had a little prayer before we did it and then we did it. I could feel the literal push from behind and I could feel the heat on the back of my head and the back of my jacket. That kind of stuff, I love. You’re taking a few chances — you are and you aren’t — but it’s definitely exciting.”

The finished effect looked fantastic as the car burst into flames behind Krycek and the force of the blast sent him flying to the ground. But it didn’t quite turn out as Lea had hoped.

“Do you remember PATRIOT GAMES?” Nic asks. “There that scene in the alley when they get attacked by rocket launchers and there’s a great scene where the thing explodes behind him and he dives towards camera and you see the camera looking up at him. That’s what I wanted to get. But what happened was I hit my mark and got a few feet past it and then they exploded it, so when I got blown out of the frame I was almost standing. I was all padded up on my arms and my knees so I could dive onto the cement, but I dove out of camera, so you didn’t get to see that.”

For the two episodes in which Lea appeared at the beginning of the third season, “The Blessing Way” and “Paper Clip,” ‘the look’ of the character was very much his idea. The actor grew his hair longer and swapped his suit for a leather jacket. He’s also been able to change a few lines which is very unusual for a guest actor.

“One that stands out in my mind is after the Cigarette-Smoking Man tried to blow me up in the car. There’s a telephone conversation I have with him. The line was something like ‘If I ever hear or see form you again you better start thinking about who’s going to play you in the movie,’ or something like that, a really enigmatic line. I called [Executive Producer] Chris Carter and we um’ed and ah’ed over it for a day and we couldn’t decide what line would go well there. So I thought that if he ever became famous, it would be the worst possible thing you could do. So that was the idea I had about saying ‘I would make him a very famous man.’ They liked that, so they kept it.”

From that moment, Krycek is out on his own, trying to stay alive and to keep away from the Cigarette Smoking Man’s cronies. Later on in the third season, Mulder catches up with him in Hong Kong. They have several violent encounters, with Mulder still angry at Krycek for killing his father. One of those encounters happened by a phone booth at the airport.

“He cracked me over the head with the phone during one take and knocked me off my feet and I had this big welt over my forehead,” laughs Nic. “As I come around he hits me over the head with the phone and one time I walked too close or he went too far with the phone and actually cracked me across the bean with it. It was pretty funny.”

In this two-parter, “Piper Maru” and “Apocrypha,” about an alien entity that has been trapped under the ocean since the Second World War, Krycek becomes possessed.

“It was difficult to prepare for because they wanted Krycek to be emotionless and that’s hard to do. So I watched TERMINATOR 2 and what Robert Patrick [the T-1000 Terminator] had done. They said they were really happy with it, so I was glad to hear that.”

One of the most memorable sequences is when the alien entity oozes out of Krycek, painfully squeezing its black substance out of his eyes.

“It was good,” acknowledges the actor. “It was a pain in the rear to do, but it was fun.”

The black stuff came from a pump which forced it down tubes that went through his hair and came out near his eyes.

“It was a prosthetic mask that I had to wear. Putting it on and taking it off a couple of times — horrible! At first I was excited about it and then after an hour it became really tedious because I couldn’t see, I couldn’t breath properly, tubes all running through my hair and everything.”

THE X-FILES has been good for Nicholas Lea in many respects. It’s certainly raised his profile and he now gets offered jobs in Canada without having to audition. He’s also just finished a pilot show called ONCE A THIEF for Fox, the same network that makes THE X-FILES.

“When I went into the audition and I met the head of Fox television — The Head! — I walked into the room and he knew who I was, and you can’t really buy that. It’s priceless.”

But that doesn’t mean Nicholas Lea will be turning his back on THE X-FILES. His enthusiasm for the show comes across as genuine, as that’s hardly surprising considering its popularity and the chance it gives him to play a character that continues to develop.

“That’s one of the things that is fascinating for me. Every time I get the scripts, there’s always something quite different from what I have done the previous time. It keeps on evolving and changing and that’s a treat as an actor because you never have to do the same thing twice.

“I like the idea that I’m the guy in the middle. There’s characters like Skinner, Mulder and Scully, and on the other side there’s the Cigarette Smoking Man and X and the evil ones, and I’m somewhere in the middle. He’s neither here nor there, he’s neither good nor evil, he’s neither in the light nor in the dark. He’s in that grey area in between which I think is a very important part of the show. Nobody’s really good and nobody’s really bad and I think that’s what’s really interesting.”